|  | Topic : Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows |  |
| | | rcoryell | | Set |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/03/2017 | | Posts | : | 2 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Mar 2017 - 17:28 Post title : Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows | | | I currently have the High Flow (Short) Mufflers with the JBQ Catalytic Converter Replacement Elbows installed on my 2014 Thunderbird. While coasting down hills, the bike will crackle, pop and sometimes back fire. Does anyone know the best engine tune to use for my setup?
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| | Posted : 11 Mar 2017 - 17:53 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: rcoryell) | | | 1600 or 1700 ?
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 11 Mar 2017 - 18:00 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: Slcharger | | | If it's a 1700, try this tune.
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| | | rcoryell | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/03/2017 | | Posts | : | 2 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Mar 2017 - 03:04 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: Slcharge | | | Thanks for the info! But, it is a 1600.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,684 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Mar 2017 - 06:37 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: rcoryel | | | Do you have the tors tune installed? if not, do so. The bike runs better on the tors tune regardless of whether stock pipe or tors. There are also some custom tunes people here have made for 1600 engines but most are for the 1700. Major difference is the 1700 cams vs the 1600 cams. So some have taken 1700 custom fueling and added that to 1600 tunes to retain the timing of the 1600. Can;t point you to them but look in the tune repository forum... Link Might take a lot of reading to find them but there are some tunes people have tweaked 4 the 1600. But if you aren't concerned with performance, only popping and proper running, just use the stock TORs tune if you aren't already. It can be found at tuneecu.com
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| | Posted : 12 Mar 2017 - 09:03 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: rcoryell) | | | Try Drods tune.
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| | | sykal | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 20/10/2014 | | Posts | : | 52 | | Location | : | W.A, Australia |
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| | Posted : 12 Mar 2017 - 13:54 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: rcoryell) | | | I found that using a good sealant between the mufflers and cat delete pipes joint helped reduce a lot of deceleration popping .I noticed a bit of blow out soot when I removed the mufflers to adjust the drive belt .Cleaned the pipes and used some loctite red hi temp silicon on the delete pipe, before slipping the mufflers back on, then smoothed it out over the join once i had tightened the clamps .
It helps on mine and may help on yours too .Cheap to do and also no more soot marks 
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| | | Gifted | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 20/06/2016 | | Posts | : | 51 | | Location | : | Maryland, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Mar 2017 - 14:07 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: aussietbi | | | is drod still active on this forum. id be interested to know if he is still using that tune. i know some are using your tune aussiebird. i was a bit concerned that drods tune had the air/fuel to lean. can anyone on here tell me anything that.
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| | | aussietbird | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | WODONGA, VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2017 - 08:47 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: Gifted) | | | Drod fine tuned mine for the more volatile american fuel.
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| | | aussietbird | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | WODONGA, VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2017 - 08:53 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: Gifted) | | | Speaking of lean, I've actually gone back to running the standard long mufflers, still cat less, and have found a marked difference in performance, on the + side, still using my orginal tune, lots more low down get up and go. So therefore I reckon my tune could well do with some more fuel, with short TOR's
If you live in a warmish climate I highly reccomend a custom tune, mine ran like a pig in hot weather, my tune runs lots cooler, and now never misses a beat. And still runs really good on those zero C mornings.
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2017 - 17:31 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: aussiet | | | so looking at drod a/f he is mostly at 14.8. standard is at 14.5. yours is at 13.8 aussie. which tune is richer?
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| | | aussietbird | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | WODONGA, VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 16 Mar 2017 - 11:17 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: Gifted | | | Wow, Guilty of not checkin. Mine is way way richer. And after feeing the benifits of the long standard mufflers I'm tipping the short TOR's and decat could well maybe be a 13.5 AFR target or lower.
On saturday I will sit down and compare.
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 16 Mar 2017 - 17:10 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: aussi | | | if you are running open (more open) pipes and intake you are best in around that 13.6 to 13.8 up until you start getting into 50% TP then i would start adding some fat to it say 13.2 at the richest up to WOT. I run mine (cruising range) at 13.6 and that would equate to about 2500 to 3800 rpm or so and less then 50% TP. Gas millage is fair enough, getting about 360 km on the highway and about 300 km or so in the city if i ride like a civil man (per tank). I don't care about millage to be honest with you unless it means running out of fuel in the middle of no where, then i care  . Bike runs good no popping what so ever , ever! had decent torque in the mids and will spin up well on the highway. this of course is JMO
I am also running PCV with AT300 autotune.
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| | | reich | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/06/2016 | | Posts | : | 21 | | Location | : | Ontario, Canada |
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| | Posted : 19 Mar 2017 - 18:16 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: Slcharge | | | How do I install that tune into a 2015 Thunderbird LT?
Thanks
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 19 Mar 2017 - 19:11 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: reich) | | |
reich wrote:
How do I install that tune into a 2015 Thunderbird LT?
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I am afraid you can not.
The never ECU don't accept reprogramming with TUNE ECU, instead they lock up, the bike refuses to start, and you will be charged for a new ECU, by the dealer ( aproxx 3.000 USD, if i remember right ).
So don't try.
If you can get hold of an older ECU, ( 2012, and before, i believe ) remember you will need the ODO meter as well. They are linked, and will only work in pair.
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| | | reich | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/06/2016 | | Posts | : | 21 | | Location | : | Ontario, Canada |
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| | Posted : 19 Mar 2017 - 23:58 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: Slchar | |
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| | Posted : 01 Apr 2017 - 18:14 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: griff | | |
griffith500 wrote:
I just got a 2015 Thunderbird Storm ABS and installed the JBQ cat-delete pipes, thinking about the short TORs. I was reading about the ECU lock-down but am still not sure if I can use it on the '15 STORM or no ( I know Commander and LT won't work ).
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you need to confirm for sure but i am pretty certain tuneecu will work on the 2015 storm.
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| | Posted : 02 Apr 2017 - 01:57 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: Slchar | | | I just got a 2015 Thunderbird Storm ABS and installed the JBQ cat-delete pipes, thinking about the short TORs. I was reading about the ECU lock-down but am still not sure if I can use it on the '15 STORM or no ( I know Commander and LT won't work ).
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| | Posted : 13 Apr 2017 - 16:21 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: griff | | | TuneECU can be used on the 2015 Storm.
It's the 2015 and newer Commander and LT that have the ecu locked.
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| | | bnz433 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,842 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Apr 2017 - 16:48 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: MKE_ | | | Yes. All Storms and Nightstorms are still good to go for TunECU. Only the LT and Commander Birds are locked.
Jamie
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| | | griffith500 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/03/2017 | | Posts | : | 10 | | Location | : | NJ, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2017 - 13:06 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: bnz | | | Thank you all for the responses - I connected it to my '15 TBird to check status, not to download a map. I asked my dealer and he didn't know (or was not willing to give me) any info on TuneECU with the '15 Tbird ( he installed / downloaded the 20363 tune for the short TORs ).
Is there any way to identify the "new / locked" ECU from the old by serial number and/or VIN number of the bike?
Thanks again - dying to get another tune in there but don't want to ruin the ECU ;-(
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2017 - 13:24 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: bnz | | |
bnz433 wrote:
Yes. All Storms and Nightstorms are still good to go for TunECU. Only the LT and Commander Birds are locked.
Jamie
PS - Sidebar for you US gents. Go into your profiles and at least update what state you all are in. Great way for folks to hunt you down for a meetup for a ride or something! There's 4 of you boys on this thread. Anyone from the Northeast US????? |
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I have no first hand experience with TuneECU on the storm.
Anyone have uploaded a new tune to a 2015-16-17 storm ?
Anyway, from a perspective of logic, it doesn't make sense that Triumph only lock the LT and Commander, and if, why only those 2 ???
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| | | edbob | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 04/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 931 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2017 - 20:17 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: gr | | | Before you invest in short Tors, just know they will be incredibly loud with the cat delete, and only recommend it for those who like things LOUD. Long TORS are supposed to be a bit more tame, or you take a 1/2" extra long drill bit to the baffles in your stock pipes. I've had BC predators (not bad), short Tors, and finally drilling out the stock pipes with cat delete made the perfect noise for me....
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| | | griffith500 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/03/2017 | | Posts | : | 10 | | Location | : | NJ, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Apr 2017 - 12:45 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: e | | | Thanks Ed. I am quite happy with the short TORs and personally prefer the look with the shorter pipes vs. long stock. The TORs tune works quite well, but still wanted to see if I can improve on it.
Anyone have successfully uploaded a new tune to a 2015-16-17 TB Storm or knows how to identify the new/locked ECU?
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,516 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 24 Apr 2017 - 15:35 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: e | | |
edbob wrote:
Before you invest in short Tors, just know they will be incredibly loud with the cat delete, and only recommend it for those who like things LOUD.... |
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You must be referring to elbows as the cat delete. I have the short tors and Cycleworks crossover...awesome combo, performance and not Loud.
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,516 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 24 Apr 2017 - 15:39 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: | | | griffith500 wrote:
...I am quite happy with the short TORs and personally prefer the look with the shorter pipes... |
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Short Tors look good
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| | | griffith500 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/03/2017 | | Posts | : | 10 | | Location | : | NJ, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 May 2017 - 14:58 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: MKE_ | | | I heard back from Alain and he confirmed that the Thunderbird 2015 (VIN up to 778751) is compatible with TuneECU.
The restrictions still apply for LT and Commander thought
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 22 May 2017 - 16:01 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: gri | | |
griffith500 wrote:
I heard back from Alain and he confirmed that the Thunderbird 2015 (VIN up to 778751) is compatible with TuneECU. |
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Nice to know information, but how the hell did he come by that exact VIN # ???
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| | | Gifted | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 20/06/2016 | | Posts | : | 51 | | Location | : | Maryland, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Jun 2017 - 03:16 Post title : Re: Best engine tune for High Flow (Short) Mufflers and JBQ Catalytic Replacement Elbows (Re: rcoryell) | | | Been using this tune for about 500 miles with good results. runs best on 90 octane ethanol free gas(if we had 87 octane ethanol free i would run that). much thanks to slcharger for developing part of the ignition table im using and also the a/f table. my bike is 2010 1600, short tors, jbq elbows, triumph hi flo filter, sai capped.
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